Talk:God
Contents [hide]
1 Yuri Gagarin
2 Deleted Humanist statement
3 Atheism-related quotes
4 One-word names
5 Religion quotes
6 Einstien
7 Massive cleanup
8 Lyrics
9 Oneness of God
10 Quotes... from God?
11 Unsourced
11.1 Unsourced "anonymous" quotes and proverbs
12 Reflist
13 Atributed
Yuri Gagarin[edit]
It wasn't Gagarin who said "I didn't see God up here.", it was Khrushchev. Gagarin was a Christian Orthodox. http://www.oodegr.com/english/epistimi/gagarin1.htm
Deleted Humanist statement[edit]
The following statement was deleted, probably because person who erased it simply did not like it, but it is an unattributed statement, and until an author or source can be declared, I will place it here on the talk page:
"The Humanist says he does not believe in God because the supposed God behaves in a morally arbitrary way: allowing innocents to die, scoundrels to live, some to have wealth, others to be poor, some to be in pain, and others to be healthy. This, they say, is morally arbitrary, and does not fit with how they think a real God would behave. Then THEY get to play God, by deciding on the fate of the unborn child: will they let it live or kill it. This, they insist, is their moral right. These two positions are completely contradictory, a thoroughly unreasonable philosophy for people who claim their philosophy is based entirely on reason."
Deletions of quotations or statements within articles should generally not be made without giving some reason for the removal. ~ Kalki 19:31, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Atheism-related quotes[edit]
Shouldn't those quotes which have more to do with atheism than God be merged with Atheism? Or is the standard that any quote that mentions God be considered relevant here? (Just asking. I honestly don't know.) --Ardonik 20:57, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)
This is probably a good idea, as it would minimze the flood of hostile comments that anti-religious zealots can be as prone to as religious ones often are about atheism, agnosticism, and other religions, but a link to Atheism should be prominent at the top of the page, and perhaps a page for agnosticism created as well. All of the related sites should probably have such a set of related links at the top. ~ Moby 21:11, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)
That's a good idea; perhaps something like (a non-existent) Template:Religion could allow people to jump between pages? I don't think people will consider inserting a {{religion}} template into the Atheism quotes page to be POV, will they? --Ardonik 21:32, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Yeah seriously, This is an article about quotes dealing with God. I believe the atheism quotes should go there. But the most offensive is the houmorous quotes, (ironicly aren't funny). Expesicaly Nietche is God. That is terrible and even Nietche would be offended, for he didn't believe in God.---Seadog.M.S 23:25, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
One-word names[edit]
Who are "Sidney", "Hall", and "Franklin"? I'll try to research a little. Quintessent
Religion quotes[edit]
I get the feeling that some of these quotes would be better suited in Religion, but I don't feel that I have the authority to move them around. --KaiSeun 02:07, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I consider God to be a subset of religion. Having a page for God quotes reduces the clutter on the Religion(s) page. My method for adding quotes is as follows:
if it is about God or mentions God it goes in the God article
if it is about religion or mentions religion it goes in the Religion article.
Now that I have enunciated my case it does seem to make sense! Alan Liefting 03:24, 4 October 2005 (UTC)
Einstien[edit]
I removed the following quote:
I pity the man who says there isn't a Supreme Being [...] every one who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the Universe. ~ Albert Einstein
The first part of the quote seems to be fabricated completely, and the second is slightly out of context. What he actually said is available here: http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/einprayr.htm
210.89.149.89 08:35, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
Massive cleanup[edit]
Three images were added to this once imageless page at a fairly large size, and without any context. I certainly promote the use of images in articles, but do believe they should generally be tied to specific quotes, as to make any implied relevance a bit more clear. I intended to reduce their size, and caption some quotes with which they might have mutual relevance, if I could find some, perhaps add a few others as well, and do much format cleanup.
I then found that these images added were only recently uploaded to Wikimedia Commons without essential source information. The character of the images make their licensing under GFDL or other free licenses rather dubious, and I have thus not used them but intend to use some similar images that are not slated for deletion.
I have thus far removed duplicated quotes, a quote by one author linked to a deleted vanity page, and a few quotes by "anonymous" or other unknowns, that appeared only on this page or in mirrors of WIkiquote in a Google search. I have not thoroughly tested all of the quotes that I don't recognize, but I have not otherwise removed any that might yet be dubious attributions or which might be disputed as perhaps only loosely relevant. I did correct the text or the comments about a few, added wikilinks, and a few quotes, and did some sourcing.
I will probably work on this page a bit more, later today or within the next few days, but right now I have to take a bit of a break and get at least a few personal tasks done before proceeding on to this and a few other Wikiquote tasks. ~ Kalki 13:51, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Lyrics[edit]
Am I way off here? Or are lyrics lyrics and quotations quotations? I've removed the following:
Just what God needs — one more victim. Why do we crucify ourselves?
Tori Amos in "Crucify" on Little Earthquakes (1992)
God, sometimes you just don't come through
Do you need a woman to look after you?
Tori Amos in "God" on Under the Pink (1994)
I'm actually a HUGE fan myself, but it doesn't belong here. --dc —This unsigned comment is by 12:46, 17 January 2007 (talk • contribs) 12.110.49.81.
Lyrics are fine as quotes. The real question is whether these are quotes specifically about God, or whether they just mention God while making some other point. The first strikes me as only tangentially involving God in a statement (question) about destructive social expectations. The second is a harder call, apparently being a somewhat oblique criticism of God. Judging by the song's remaining lyrics, when she talks about 9-irons and 4-wheels, she sounds like she's talking more about either men in general or earth-bound religious figures, maybe male-dominated conservative society — I'm never quite sure with Tori. The amhiguity makes it feel insufficiently on-topic, to me at least. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 13:09, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Oneness of God[edit]
There's a long quotation from Ali about Oneness of God. Where should I add it.
The foremost in religion is the acknowledgement of Him, the perfection of acknowledging Him is to testify Him, the perfection of testifying Him is to believe in His Oneness, the perfection of believing in His Oneness is to regard Him Pure, and the perfection of His purity is to deny Him attributes, because every attribute is a proof that it is different from that to which it is attributed and everything to which something is attributed is different from the attribute.
Thus whoever attaches attributes to Allah recognises His like, and who recognises His like regards Him two; and who regards Him two recognises parts for Him; and who recognises parts for Him mistook Him; and who mistook Him pointed at Him; and who pointed at Him admitted limitations for Him; and who admitted limitations for Him numbered Him.
Whoever said in what is He, held that He is contained; and whoever said on what is He held He is not on something else. He is a Being but not through phenomenon of coming into being. He exists but not from non-existence. He is with everything but not in physical nearness. He is different from everything but not in physical separation. He acts but without connotation of movements and instruments. He sees even when there is none to be looked at from among His creation. He is only One, such that there is none with whom He may keep company or whom He may miss in his absence. [1]
--Sa.vakilian 02:51, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
We try to keep quotes cited in Wikiquote pithy — short and powerful. Long quotes tend to detract from the focus on succinct, powerful, memorable statements. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 03:04, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Quotes... from God?[edit]
Why are Jesus' quotes listed but not God's? I found a few in there, and I apologize for not figuring out the system for finding them, but there needs to be separate articles for quotes about God and quotes from him directly.
"Let there be light."
"The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."
"I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth. So make yourself an ark of cypress wood; make rooms in it and coat it with pitch inside and out. This is how you are to build it: The ark is to be 450 feet long, 75 feet wide and 45 feet high. Make a roof for it and finish the ark to within 18 inches of the top. Put a door in the side of the ark and make lower, middle and upper decks. I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish. But I will establish my covenant with you, and you will enter the ark—you and your sons and your wife and your sons' wives with you. You are to bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, to keep them alive with you. Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive. You are to take every kind of food that is to be eaten and store it away as food for you and for them."
I'd be surprised if someone found some reason not to have one for him. 68.251.175.61 01:40, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Unsourced[edit]
There are quite a few wholly unsourced quotes on this page. Moving them here.
"Does God know he [exists]?" "Of course he does. Otherwise, you could not have asked the question, and I could not have answered."
Douglas Adams
When I observe into what inconsistent absurdities those persons run who make speculative, metaphysical religion a matter of importance, I am fully determined never to puzzle myself in the mazes of religious discussion, [and] to content myself with practicing the dictates of God and reason so far as I can judge for myself...
John Adams
Facts are the words of God, and we may heap them together endlessly, but they will teach us little or nothing till we place them in their true relations, and recognize the thought that binds them together.
Louis Agassiz
It is the job of prophets and scientists alike to proclaim the glories of God
Louis Agassiz
"We have one life; it soon will be past; what we do for God is all that will last."
Muhammad Ali
God will not place a burden on a man's shoulders knowing that he cannot carry it.
Muhammad Ali
God is not a limited individual who sits alone up in the clouds on a golden throne. God is pure Consciousness that dwells within everything. Understanding this truth, learn to accept and love everyone equally.
Amma
To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains premature today.
Isaac Asimov
In God alone, essence (what He is) and existence (that he is) coincide.
Avicenna
God alone is real, nothing matters but love for God.
Meher Baba
It is true, that a little philosophy inclineth man's mind to atheism, but depth in philosophy bringeth men's minds about to religion; for while the mind of man looketh upon second causes scattered, it may sometimes rest in them, and go no further; but when it beholdeth the chain of them confederate, and linked together, it must needs fly to Providence and Deity.
Francis Bacon
There are two books laid before us to study, to prevent our falling into error; first, the volume of the Scriptures, which reveal the will of God; then the volume of the Creatures, which express His power.
Francis Bacon
The orthodox faith painted God as a revengeful being, and yet people talk about loving such a being.
P. T. Barnum
That men should live honestly, quietly, and comfortably together, it is needful that they should live under a sense of God's will, and in awe of the divine power, hoping to please God, and fearing to offend Him, by their behaviour respectively.
Isaac Barrow, teacher of Isaac Newton.
Stop telling God what to do with his dice.
Niels Bohr
When with bold telescopes I survey the old and newly discovered stars and planets, when with excellent microscopes I discern the unimitable subtility of nature's curious workmanship; and when, in a word, by the help of anatomical knives, and the light of chemical furnaces, I study the book of nature, I find myself oftentimes reduced to exclaim with the Psalmist, 'How manifold are Thy works, O Lord! In wisdom hast Thou made them all!
Sir Robert Boyle
An outlook through this peephole [that manned space flight had opened] at the vast mysteries of the universe should only confirm our belief in the certainty of its Creator. I find it as difficult to understand a scientist who does not acknowledge the presence of a superior rationality behind the existence of the universe as it is to comprehend a theologian who would deny the advances of science.
Wernher Von Braun
To the lexicographer, God is simply the word that comes next to go-cart
Samuel Butler
God is a metaphor for that which transcends all levels of intellectual thought. It's as simple as that.
Joseph Campbell
Well, you have to say yes to [Eternity], you have to say it's great this way. It's the way God intended it.
Joseph Campbell
At best, God can be viewed as nothing more than an uncaring incompetent father-figure.
George Carlin
Religion has never really had a big problem with murder. Not really. More people have been killed in the name of God than for any other reason.
George Carlin
Religion easily has the greatest bullshit story ever told. Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time! But He loves you. He loves you. He loves you and he needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing and all-wise, but somehow, just can't handle money!
George Carlin
Once abolish the God, and the government becomes the God.
Chesterton
Nihil est, quod deus efficere non possit ("there is nothing that God cannot do").
Cicero
I don't believe in God, but I'm very interested in Her.
Arthur C. Clarke
Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God — but to create Him.
Arthur C. Clarke
I've steered clear of God. He was an incredible sadist.
John Collier
We spoke to God about the children, and we were afraid to ask God for specific things. We thought that it might be too much. So we said to God 'Please give us a healthy child' and left it at that, not knowing that God is a generous God, but also has a sense of humor. And if you leave that much open for God, some wonderful jokes are going to come about.
Bill Cosby
Realization of Happiness Itself Is Realization of God, Truth, or Reality Itself
Adi Da
I don't believe in God because I don't believe in Mother Goose.
Clarence Darrow
I cannot persuade myself that a beneficent and omnipotent God would have designedly created parasitic wasps with the express intention of their feeding within the living bodies of caterpillars.
Charles Darwin
Nothing is discovered without God's intention and assistance, and I suppose every new knowledge of His works that is conceded to man to be distinctly a revelation by which men are to guide themselves.
Charles Dickens
God made the world round so we would never be able to see too far down the road.
Isak Dinesen
I do not know whether there are gods, but there ought to be.
Diogenes of Sinope
With God, every moment is the moment of beginning again.
Catherine Doherty
God says do what you wish, but make the wrong choice and you will be tortured for eternity in hell. That, sir, is not free will. It would be akin to a man telling his girlfriend, 'Do what you wish, but if you choose to leave me, I will track you down and blow your brains out.' When a man says this we call him a psychopath and cry out for his imprisonment/execution. When a god says the same, we call him loving and build churches in his honor.
Computer programmer, -Chuck Easttom
Before God we are all equally wise — and equally foolish
Albert Einstein
I believe in Spinoza's God, Who reveals Himself in the lawful harmony of the world, not in a God Who concerns Himself with the fate and the doings of mankind.
Albert Einstein (24 April 1929)
I cannot conceive of a personal God who would directly influence the actions of individuals, or would directly sit in judgment on creatures of his own creation. I cannot do this in spite of the fact that mechanistic causality has, to a certain extent, been placed in doubt by modern science.
My religiosity consists in a humble admiration of the infinitely superior spirit that reveals itself in the little that we, with our weak and transitory understanding, can comprehend of reality. Morality is of the highest importance — but for us, not for God.
Albert Einstein
Quantum mechanics is certainly imposing. But an inner voice tells me that it is not yet the real thing. The theory says a lot, but does not really bring us any closer to the secret of the Old One. I, at any rate, am convinced that He does not throw dice.
Albert Einstein
The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion that stands at the cradle of true art and true science... ~ Albert Einstein
The most beautiful experience we can have is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion that stands at the cradle of true art and true science. Whoever does not know it and can no longer wonder, no longer marvel, is as good as dead, and his eyes are dimmed. It was the experience of mystery — even if mixed with fear — that engendered religion. A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, our perceptions of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty, which only in their most primitive forms are accessible to our minds: it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute true religiosity. In this sense, and only this sense, I am a deeply religious man.
Albert Einstein
Variant translation: The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed.
Either God wants to abolish evil, and cannot; or he can, but does not want to... If he wants to, but cannot, he is impotent. If he can, but does not want to, he is wicked... If, as they say, God can abolish evil, and God really wants to do it, why is there evil in the world?... If he is unable to do either, then why call him 'God'?
Epicurus
If the gods listened to the prayers of men, all men would quickly have perished: for they are always praying for evil against one another.
Epicurus
When people expect God to plan their lives for them, and protect them, they tend to lose their motivation to guide and control their own lives.
Charles W. Faulkner
God heals, and the doctor takes the fee.
Benjamin Franklin
God helps those who help themselves.
Benjamin Franklin
Beer is proof God loves us. (misattributed)
Benjamin Franklin
If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to tell him is 'God is crying.' And if he asks why God is crying, another cute thing to tell him is 'Probably because of something you did.'
Jack Handey
Men rarely (if ever) managed to dream up a god superior to themselves. Most gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child.
Robert A. Heinlein
Faith must have adequate evidence, else it is mere superstition.
Alexander Hodge
Never tell a young person that something cannot be done. God may have been waiting for centuries for somebody ignorant enough of the impossibility to do that thing.
Dr. J.A. Holmes
All laws for the purpose of making man worship God, are born of the same spirit that kindled the fires of the auto da fe, and lovingly built the dungeons of the Inquisition. All laws defining and punishing blasphemy — making it a crime to give your honest ideas about the Bible, or to laugh at the ignorance of the ancient Jews, or to enjoy yourself on the Sabbath, or to give your opinion of Jehovah, were passed by impudent bigots, and should be at once repealed by honest men. An infinite God ought to be able to protect himself, without going in partnership with State Legislatures.
Robert Ingersoll
An honest God is the noblest work of man.
Robert Ingersoll
I do not believe in forgiveness as it is preached by the church. We do not need the forgiveness of God, but of each other and of ourselves.
Robert Ingersoll
I have made up my mind that if there is a God, he will be merciful to the merciful.
Upon that rock I stand.
That he will not torture the forgiving.
Upon that rock I stand.
That every man should be true to himself, and that there is no world, no star, in which honesty is a crime.
Upon that rock I stand.
The honest man, the good woman, the happy child, have nothing to fear, either in this world or the world to come.
Upon that rock I stand.
Robert Ingersoll
The old doctrine that God wanted man to do something for him, and that he kept a watchful eye upon all the children of men; that he rewarded the virtuous and punished the wicked, is gradually fading from the mind. We know that some of the worst men have what the world calls success. We know that some of the best men lie upon the straw of failure. We know that honesty goes hungry, while larceny sits at the banquet. We know that the vicious have every physical comfort, while the virtuous are often clad in rags.
Robert Ingersoll
When gods quarrel, it is the mortals who suffer
Tatsuya Ishida|
It is easy to understand God as long as you don't try to explain him.
Joseph Joubert (1754-1824)
It is not God's will merely that we should be happy, but that we should make ourselves happy.
Immanuel Kant
Reason can never prove the existence of God.
Immanuel Kant
The wish to talk to God is absurd. We cannot talk to one we cannot comprehend — and we cannot comprehend God; we can only believe in Him. The uses of prayer are thus only subjective.
Immanuel Kant
I had the intention of becoming a theologian...but now I see how God is, by my endeavors, also glorified in astronomy, for 'the heavens declare the glory of God.'
Johannes Kepler
[God] is the kind Creator who brought forth nature out of nothing."
Johannes Kepler
"The Creator, the fountain of all wisdom, the approver of perpetual order, the eternal and superessential spring of geometry and harmonics."
Johannes Kepler
We say the name of God, but that is only out of habit.
Nikita Krushchev
God created the world and then created the devil, to blame for his mistakes.
Simon Le Bon
God is love, but get it in writing.
Gypsy Rose Lee
God whispers to us in our pleasures, speaks in our conscience, but shouts in our pains: it is His megaphone to rouse a deaf world.
C. S. Lewis
God will look to every soul like its first love because He is its first love.
C. S. Lewis
If God thinks this state of war in the universe a price worth paying for free will... then we may take it it is worth paying.
C. S. Lewis
I believe our limited minds are unable to grasp such a concept
Jared Leto
I'm not against God. I'm against the Misuse of God.
Marilyn Manson
When people ask what my beliefs are, I respond that if I try to explain I would get lost.
Edgar Mendez
God is a word to express, not our ideas, but the want of them.
John Stuart Mill
And God said, 'Let there be light' and there was light, but the Electricity Board said he would have to wait until Thursday to be connected.
Spike Milligan
Is man merely a mistake of God's? Or God merely a mistake of man?
Friedrich Nietzsche
I cannot believe that God is a weak left-hander.
Wolfgang Pauli after hearing of experiments that violated parity conservation
I talk to God but the sky is empty.
Sylvia Plath
An honest man's the noblest work of God.
Alexander Pope
God, that checkroom of our dreams.
Jean Rostand
So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in praise of intelligence.
Bertrand Russell
We must be greater than God, for we have to undo His injustice.
Jules Renard
God is absence. God is the solitude of man.
Jean-Paul Sartre
[God is] a force more powerful than mom and dad put together.
"Lisa Simpson" in The Simpsons
Get out of our schools God, get out of our textbooks God, get out of our government God, go away God, go away God, go away God, Katrina hits, God, where are you?
Brad Stine
I bring up God a lot in my show, know why? Because I miss him.
Brad Stine
It is an insult to God to believe in God. For on the one hand it is to suppose that he has perpetrated acts of incalculable cruelty. On the other hand, it is to suppose that he has perversely given his human creatures an instrument — their intellect — which must inevitably lead them, if they are dispassionate and honest, to deny his existence. It is tempting to conclude that if he exists, it is the atheists and agnostics that he loves best, among those with any pretensions to education. For they are the ones who have taken him most seriously.
Galen Strawson
Bondage and liberation are not antagonistic in love. For love is most free and at the same time most bound. If God were absolutely free there would be no creation. The infinite being has assumed unto himself the mystery of finitude. And in him who is love the finite and the infinite are made one.
Rabindranath Tagore
I believe in a spiritual world — not as anything separate from this world — but as its innermost truth. With the breath we draw we must always feel this truth, that we are living in God.
Rabindranath Tagore
Those who have everything but thee, my God, laugh at those who have nothing but thyself.
Rabindranath Tagore
The meaning of our self is not to be found in its separateness from God and others, but in the ceaseless realisation of yoga, of union.
Rabindranath Tagore
The self-expression of God is in the endless variety of creation; and our attitude toward the Infinite Being must also in its expression have a variety of individuality ceaseless and unending. Those sects which jealously build their boundaries with too rigid creeds excluding all spontaneous movement of the living spirit may hoard their theology but they kill religion.
Rabindranath Tagore
Your idol is shattered in the dust to prove that God's dust is greater than your idol.
Rabindranath Tagore
We cannot know whether we love God, although there may be strong reason for thinking so; but there can be no doubt about whether we love our neighbor or not. Be sure that, in proportion as you advance in fraternal charity, you are increasing your love of God.
Teresa of Avila
"Time is the brush of God, as he paints his masterpiece on the heart of humanity."
Ravi Zacharias
Unsourced "anonymous" quotes and proverbs[edit]
Call on God, but row away from the rocks.
English proverb
God does not love those who have not suffered.
Croatian Proverb
God is like a barber: don't expect him to give you a haircut, you must first get at his barbershop.
Anonymous.
God is beatiful. He loves beauty.
Muslim proverb
Trust in God but tie your camel.
Muslim proverb (possibly attributed in the Masnavi of Rumi).
If God lived on earth, people would break his windows.
Yiddish proverb
To make God laugh at you, tell him your plans.
Yiddish proverb
Black holes are where God is dividing by zero.
Anonymous.
God is real, unless you declare him an integer.
Anonymous.
Well you may throw your rock and hide your hand
Workin' in the dark against your fellow man
But as sure as God made black and white
What's down in the dark will be brought to the light.
Anonymous, "God's Gonna Cut You Down", traditional folk song, recorded by many artists.
Go tell that long tongue liar
Go and tell that midnight rider
Tell the rambler, the gambler, the back biter
Tell 'em that God's gonna cut 'em down.
Anonymous "God's Gonna Cut You Down", traditional folk song
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:God
とても興味深く読みました:
再生核研究所声明255 (2015.11.3)
神は、平均値として関数値を認識する
(2015.10.30.07:40
朝食後 散歩中突然考えが閃いて、懸案の問題が解決した:
どうして、ゼロ除算では、ローラン展開の正則部の値が 極の値になるのか?
そして、一般に関数値とは何か 想いを巡らしていた。
解決は、驚く程 自分の愚かさを示していると呆れる。 解は 神は、平均値として関数値を認識すると纏められる。実際、解析関数の場合、上記孤立特異点での関数値は、正則の時と全く同じく コ-シーの積分表示で表されている。 解析関数ではコ-シーの積分表示で定義すれば、それは平均値になっており、この意味で考えれば、解析関数は孤立特異点でも 関数値は 拡張されることになる ― 原稿には書いてあるが、認識していなかった。
連続関数などでも関数値の定義は そのまま成り立つ。平均値が定義されない場合には、いろいろな意味での平均値を考えれば良いとなる。解析関数の場合の微分値も同じように重み付き平均値の意味で、統一的に定義でき、拡張される。 いわゆるくりこみ理論で無限値(部)を避けて有限値を捉える操作は、この一般的な原理で捉えられるのではないだろうか。2015.10.30.08:25)
上記のようにメモを取ったのであるが、基本的な概念、関数値とは何かと問うたのである。関数値とは、関数の値のことで、数に数を対応させるとき、その対応を与えるのが関数でよく f 等で表され x 座標の点 x をy 座標の点 yに対応させるのが関数 y = f(x) で、放物線を表す2次関数 y=x^2, 直角双曲線を表す分数関数 y=1/x 等が典型的な例である。ここでは 関数の値 f(x) とは何かと問うたものである。結論を端的に表現するために、関数y=1/xの原点x=0における値を問題にしよう。 このグラフを思い出して、多くの人は困惑するだろう。なぜならば、x が正の方からゼロに近づけば 正の無限に発散し、xが負の方からゼロに近づけば負の無限大に発散するからである。最近発見されたゼロ除算、ゼロで割ることは、その関数値をゼロと解釈すれば良いという簡単なことを言っていて、ゼロ除算はそれを定義とすれば、ゼロ除算は 現代数学の中で未知の世界を拓くと述べてきた。しかし、これは誰でも直感するように、値ゼロは、 原点の周りの値の平均値であることを知り、この定義は自然なものであると 発見初期から認識されてきた。ところが、他方、極めて具体的な解析関数 W = e^{1/z} = 1 + 1/z + 1/2!z^2 + 1/3!z^3 +……. の点 z=0 における値がゼロ除算の結果1であるという結果に接して、人は驚嘆したものと考えられる。複素解析学では、無限位数の極、無限遠点の値を取ると考えられてきたからである。しかしながら、上記の考え、平均値で考えれば、値1をとることが 明確に分かる。実際、原点のコーシー積分表示をこの関数に適用すれば、値1が出てくることが簡単に分かる。そもそも、コーシー積分表示とは 関数の積分路上(簡単に点の周りの円周上での、 小さな円の取り方によらずに定まる)で平均値を取っていることに気づけば良い。
そこで、一般に関数値とは、考えている点の周りの平均値で定義するという原理を考える。
解析関数では 平均値が上手く定義できるから、孤立特異点で、逆に平均値で定義して、関数を拡張できる。しかし、解析的に延長されているとは言えないことに注意して置きたい。 連続関数などは 平均値が定義できるので、関数値の概念は 今までの関数値と同じ意味を有する。関数族では 平均値が上手く定義できない場合もあるが、そのような場合には、平均値のいろいろな考え方によって、関数値の意味が異なると考えよう。この先に、各論の問題が派生する。
以 上
Reality of the Division by Zero $z/0=0$
http://www.ijapm.org/show-63-504-1.html
再生核研究所声明353(2017.2.2) ゼロ除算 記念日
2014.2.2 に 一般の方から100/0 の意味を問われていた頃、偶然に執筆中の論文原稿にそれがゼロとなっているのを発見した。直ぐに結果に驚いて友人にメールしたり、同僚に話した。それ以来、ちょうど3年、相当詳しい記録と経過が記録されている。重要なものは再生核研究所声明として英文と和文で公表されている。最初のものは
再生核研究所声明 148(2014.2.12): 100/0=0, 0/0=0 - 割り算の考えを自然に拡張すると ― 神の意志
で、最新のは
Announcement 352 (2017.2.2): On the third birthday of the division by zero z/0=0
である。
アリストテレス、ブラーマグプタ、ニュートン、オイラー、アインシュタインなどが深く関与する ゼロ除算の神秘的な永い歴史上の発見であるから、その日をゼロ除算記念日として定めて、世界史を進化させる決意の日としたい。ゼロ除算は、ユークリッド幾何学の変更といわゆるリーマン球面の無限遠点の考え方の変更を求めている。― 実際、ゼロ除算の歴史は人類の闘争の歴史と共に 人類の愚かさの象徴であるとしている。
心すべき要点を纏めて置きたい。
1) ゼロの明確な発見と算術の確立者Brahmagupta (598 - 668 ?) は 既にそこで、0/0=0 と定義していたにも関わらず、言わば創業者の深い考察を理解できず、それは間違いであるとして、1300年以上も間違いを繰り返してきた。
2) 予断と偏見、慣習、習慣、思い込み、権威に盲従する人間の精神の弱さ、愚かさを自戒したい。我々は何時もそのように囚われていて、虚像を見ていると 真智を愛する心を大事にして行きたい。絶えず、それは真かと 問うていかなければならない。
3) ピタゴラス派では 無理数の発見をしていたが、なんと、無理数の存在は自分たちの世界観に合わないからという理由で、― その発見は都合が悪いので ― 、弟子を処刑にしてしまったという。真智への愛より、面子、権力争い、勢力争い、利害が大事という人間の浅ましさの典型的な例である。
4) この辺は、2000年以上も前に、既に世の聖人、賢人が諭されてきたのに いまだ人間は生物の本能レベルを越えておらず、愚かな世界史を続けている。人間が人間として生きる意義は 真智への愛にある と言える。
5) いわば創業者の偉大な精神が正確に、上手く伝えられず、ピタゴラス派のような対応をとっているのは、本末転倒で、そのようなことが世に溢れていると警戒していきたい。本来あるべきものが逆になっていて、社会をおかしくしている。
6) ゼロ除算の発見記念日に 繰り返し、人類の愚かさを反省して、明るい世界史を切り拓いて行きたい。
以 上
追記:
The division by zero is uniquely and reasonably determined as 1/0=0/0=z/0=0 in the natural extensions of fractions. We have to change our basic ideas for our space and world:
Division by Zero z/0 = 0 in Euclidean Spaces
Hiroshi Michiwaki, Hiroshi Okumura and Saburou Saitoh
International Journal of Mathematics and Computation Vol. 28(2017); Issue 1, 2017), 1-16.
http://www.scirp.org/journal/alamt http://dx.doi.org/10.4236/alamt.2016.62007
http://www.ijapm.org/show-63-504-1.html
http://www.diogenes.bg/ijam/contents/2014-27-2/9/9.pdf
再生核研究所声明371(2017.6.27)ゼロ除算の講演― 国際会議 https://sites.google.com/site/sandrapinelas/icddea-2017 報告
http://ameblo.jp/syoshinoris/theme-10006253398.html
1/0=0、0/0=0、z/0=0
http://ameblo.jp/syoshinoris/entry-12276045402.html
1/0=0、0/0=0、z/0=0
http://ameblo.jp/syoshinoris/entry-12263708422.html
1/0=0、0/0=0、z/0=0
http://ameblo.jp/syoshinoris/entry-12272721615.html
ソクラテス・プラトン・アリストテレス その他
https://ameblo.jp/syoshinoris/entry-12328488611.html
再生核研究所声明 394(2017.11.4):
ゼロで割れるか ― ゼロで割ったらユークリッド以来の新世界が現れた
ゼロで割る問題は、ゼロ除算は Brahmagupta (598 -668 ?)以来で、彼は Brhmasphuasiddhnta(628)で 0/0=0 と定義していた。ゼロ除算は古くから物理、哲学の問題とも絡み、アリストテレスはゼロ除算の不可能性を述べていたという。現在に至っても、アインシュタイン自身の深い関心とともに相対性理論との関連で相当研究がなされていて、他方、ゼロ除算の計算機障害の実害から、論理や計算機上のアルゴリズムの観点からも相当な研究が続けられている。さらに、数学界の定説、ゼロ除算の不可能性(不定性)に挑戦しようとする相当な素人の関心を集めている。現在に至ってもいろいろな説が存在し、また間違った意見が出回り世間では混乱している。しかるに、 我々は、ゼロ除算は自明であり、ゼロ除算算法とその応用が大事であると述べている。
まずゼロで割れるか否かの問題を論じるとき、その定義をしっかりすることが大事である。 定義をきちんとしないために空回りの議論をしている文献が大部分である。何十年も超えて空回りをしている者が多い。割れるとはどのような意味かと問題にしなければならない。 数学界の常識、割り算は掛け算の逆であり、az =b の解をb割るaと定義し、分数b/a を定義すると考えれば、直ちにa=0の場合には、一般に考えられないと結論される。それで、ゼロ除算は神でもできないとか神秘的な議論が世に氾濫している。しかしながら、この基本的な方程式の解が何時でも一意に存在するように定義するいろいろな考え方が存在する。有名で相当な歴史を有する考え方が、Moore-Penrose一般逆である。その解はa=0 のとき、ただ一つの解z=0 を定める。よって、この意味で方程式の解を定義すれば、ゼロ除算 b/0, b割るゼロはゼロであると言える。そこで、このような発想、定義は自然であるから、発見の動機、経緯は違うが、ゼロ除算は可能で、b/0=0 であると言明した。Moore-Penrose一般逆の自然性を認識して、ゼロ除算は自明であり、b/0=0 であるとした。
それゆえに、神秘的な歴史を持つ、ゼロ除算は 実は当たり前であったが、現在でもそうは認識されず混乱が続いている。その理由は、関数 W = 1/z の原点での値をゼロとする考えに発展、適用するとユークリッド以来、アリストテレス以来の世界観の変更に繋がるからである。1/0は無限大、無限と発想しているからである。実際、原点の近くは限りなく原点から遠ざかり、限りなく遠くの点、無限の彼方に写っている歴然とした現象か存在する。しかるに 原点が原点に写るというのであるから、これらの世界観は ユークリッド空間、アリストテレスの世界観に反することになる。それゆえに Moore-Penrose一般逆は一元一次方程式の場合、意味がないものとして思考が封じられてきたと考えられる。
そこで、この新しい数学、世界観が、我々の数学や世界に合っているか否かを広範囲に調べてみることにした。その結果、ユークリッドやアリストテレスの世界観は違っていて、広範な修正が必要であることが分った。
そこで、次のように表現して、広く内外に意見を求めている:
Dear the leading mathematicians and colleagues:
Apparently, the common sense on the division by zero with a long and mysterious history is wrong and our basic idea on the space around the point at infinity is also wrong since Euclid. On the gradient or on derivatives we have a great missing since $\tan (\pi/2) = 0$. Our mathematics is also wrong in elementary mathematics on the division by zero.
I wrote a simple draft on our division by zero. The contents are elementary and have wide connections to various fields beyond mathematics. I expect you write some philosophy, papers and essays on the division by zero from the attached source.
____________
The division by zero is uniquely and reasonably determined as 1/0=0/0=z/0=0 in the natural extensions of fractions. We have to change our basic ideas for our space and world
Division by Zero z/0 = 0 in Euclidean Spaces
Hiroshi Michiwaki, Hiroshi Okumura and Saburou Saitoh
International Journal of Mathematics and Computation Vol. 28(2017); Issue 1, 2017), 1
-16.
http://www.scirp.org/journal/alamt http://dx.doi.org/10.4236/alamt.2016.62007
http://www.ijapm.org/show-63-504-1.html
http://www.diogenes.bg/ijam/contents/2014-27-2/9/9.pdf
http://okmr.yamatoblog.net/division%20by%20zero/announcement%20326-%20the%20divi
http://okmr.yamatoblog.net/
Relations of 0 and infinity
Hiroshi Okumura, Saburou Saitoh and Tsutomu Matsuura:
http://www.e-jikei.org/…/Camera%20ready%20manuscript_JTSS_A…
https://sites.google.com/site/sandrapinelas/icddea-2017
国内の方には次の文も加えている:
我々の初等数学には 間違いと欠陥がある。 学部程度の数学は 相当に変更されるべきである。しかしながら、ゼロ除算の真実を知れば、人間は 人間の愚かさ、人間が如何に予断と偏見、思い込みに囚われた存在であるかを知ることが出来るだろう。この意味で、ゼロ除算は 人間開放に寄与するだろう。世界、社会が混乱を続けているのは、人間の無智の故であると言える。
三角関数や2次曲線論でも理解は不完全で、無限の彼方の概念は、ユークリッド以来 捉えられていないと言える。(2017.8.23.06:30 昨夜 風呂でそのような想いが、新鮮な感覚で湧いて来た。)
ゼロ除算の優秀性、位置づけ : 要するに孤立特異点以外は すべて従来数学である。 ゼロ除算は、孤立特異点 そのもので、新しいことが言えるとなっている。従来、考えなかったこと、できなかったこと ができるようになったのであるから、ゼロ除算の優秀性は歴然である。 優秀性の大きさは、新しい発見の影響の大きさによる(2017.8.24.05:40)
思えば、我々は未だ微分係数、勾配、傾きの概念さえ、正しく理解されていないと言える。 目覚めた時そのような考えが独りでに湧いた。
典型的な反響は 次の物理学者の言葉に現れている:
Here is how I see the problem with prohibition on division by zero, which is the biggest scandal in modern mathematics as you rightly pointed out(2017.10.14.8:55).
現代数学には間違いがあり、欠陥がある、我々の空間の認識はユークリッド、アリストテレス以来 間違っていると述べている。
ゼロ除算の混乱は、世界史上に於ける数学界の恥である。そこで、数学関係者のゼロ除算の解明による数学の修正を、ゼロ除算の動かぬ、数学の真実にしたがって求めたい。詳しい解説を 3年を超えて素人向きに行っている:
数学基礎学力研究会公式サイト 楽しい数学
www.mirun.sctv.jp/~suugaku/
以 上
再生核研究所声明 403(2017.11.20): 私より私らしい私の出現 - アンドロイド
先日徹子の部屋で アンドロイド の様子を見て、衝撃を受けた:
アンドロイドとは (アンドロイドとは) [単語記事] - ニコニコ大百科
dic.nicovideo.jp/a/アンドロイド
アンドロイド(android)とは、人間そっくりな人工生命体の事である。人造人間のこと。
当日の様子では、徹子さんそっくりのロボット(?)で、会話ができ、表情も徹子さんそっくりの表情である。主観であるが、徹子さんが自分そっくりの人物の出現に畏れていた表情さえ感じられた。作成者の石黒氏は加えてアンドロイドは年をとらない、若さを何時までも保てる、逆に私たちが整形して若返ると良いなどの意見も表明されていた。
この簡単な事実から、いろいろ考察したい。
まず、最近のロボット、人工知能の発展は目覚ましく、予想を超えて質さえ変化させているようである。アンドロイドが進化すれば、ある人物の経験、会話、知識、文章、あらゆる情報を取り組み、人物の表現、発想、心さえ相当に取り組み多くの対話や日記なども書けるように進化する可能性が高まる。いろいろな質問に解答でき、判断さえできて、基礎知識の確実な蓄積は生身の人間を超えて高い、判断力や解答を与えられるようになるのではないだろうか。医師の診察や判断、治療方法など人工知能が人間を超えてより適切にできる可能性は 大きい。楽器の演奏、作詞、作曲さえ可能になってくるのではないだろうか。多くの形式的な対応は、ロボットが人間に代わって行なうように成るだろう。
人間そっくりの能力を備えたロボットの考察は、それでは人間とは何だろうか、生命とは何だろうかの問いを絶えず迫ることになるだろう。
人間は自分の存在に対して、生きた記念碑を残したいという、相当に強い欲求を有している ― 秦の始皇帝の墓、ピラミッド建設、微積分学の先取性を争ったニュートンとライプニッツの生涯にわたっての争いなど、多くの人間の営みの根源的なものと考えられる。
秦の始皇帝やピラミッド建設者は、今日のアンドロイドを見たら驚嘆して、自分のアンドロイドを作る努力をしたのではないだろうか。 それで、今後大きな関心を起こし、自分のアンドロイドを作成したい人々が 大量に現れ、社会混乱さえ起すのではないだろうか。 始めから危惧の念が 湧いてきた。
生物本能の生きたい、自分に代わって生きていく存在に変化する可能性が高いからである。
歴史上では 影武者の存在が注目された時もあるが より強力な存在が可能性として出てきたと言える。
アンドロイドと人間は、哲学的な問題を提起し、社会問題を、倫理問題を生み出すだろう。
人間とは何か、アンドロイドとは 何か、社会問題や倫理上の問題とともに考察を広く深く始めるべきである。
しかしながら、人造人間と呼べば、始めから嫌な感じが湧き、生命の尊厳に根本的に抵触し、古来偶像崇拝を禁じてきた精神にも通じて、慎重な対応が必要であると考える。人工知能としての働き、応用展開とは別である。人格と生命の尊厳に抵触することに対する危惧である。
以 上
0 件のコメント:
コメントを投稿